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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1996 Week 14 Hansard (12 December) . . Page.. 4871 ..

Mr Berry: Mr Speaker, I take a point of order on the ground of relevance. I think Mr Moore must be arguing about a different clause. The Chief Planner was there when all these things that he is describing happened. He seems to be off the rails a bit.

MR SPEAKER: I do not think there is any point of order.

MR MOORE: I am glad that Mr Berry calls me back to relevance so that I can explain. The point that I am trying to make, Mr Berry, is that the Chief Planner has already been cut down. His responsibilities have effectively been transferred. The legislation is putting it in place. We have created a situation where planning has become the eunuch of the administration. That is the difficulty with this. The final step is removal. What I am trying to explain is that they want to remove the Chief Planner.

Mrs Carnell: He is happy to go.

MR MOORE: I should clarify that I am speaking not of the person but of the position. What I want to explain to the Labor Party - I nearly said the Opposition - is that this is an incremental step; it is an incremental undermining process - - -

Mr Berry: This is a conspiracy theory.

MR MOORE: Incrementalism is not - - -

Mr Berry: Mr Speaker, I think we are onto the conspiracy theory again. It is not relevant.

MR SPEAKER: There is no point of order.

MR MOORE: I draw Mr Berry's attention to Parsons's Public Policy. If he reads it - it might take him some time because there are 500 or 600 pages in it - he will realise that a very normal part of public policy is an incremental approach. I know that Mr Berry does not like to take an academic approach, but it is a normal process in policy terms.

MR SPEAKER: Order! The member's time has expired.

Mr Moore: Mr Speaker, if nobody else is going to speak, I will use my second period.

Ms McRae: Mr Speaker, I wish to speak, but I bring to your attention that I believe it is the wish of the house to suspend for dinner.

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