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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1996 Week 13 Hansard (5 December) . . Page.. 4424 ..

MR SPEAKER: If members want to have private conversations, I remind them that there are lobbies available. Mr Berry complained about the noise, remarkably.

MR BERRY: Thank you for your protection, Mr Speaker. The Subordinate Laws Act makes it pretty clear that retrospective determinations such as the one issued by Mrs Carnell are suspect. So are many of the other things that Mrs Carnell does.

The next thing we have to consider, Mr Speaker, is why there is a need to put the pressure on the Government to deal with issues involving millions of dollars. If you have a look at the last health budget, you will see that it was overspent by about $22.3m. That shows the disregard Mrs Carnell has for public money.

Mrs Carnell: I take a point of order, Mr Speaker, on the grounds of relevance.

MR SPEAKER: I uphold the point of order. Relevance, Mr Berry.

MR BERRY: That shows the disregard Mrs Carnell has for public money and that is why this motion has been moved here today.

Mr De Domenico: I take a point of order, Mr Speaker, on the grounds of relevance.

MR SPEAKER: Relevance, Mr Berry.

MR BERRY: This motion has been moved here today to ensure that the Government, unlike in the past, protects the money of the community. Mrs Carnell has not shown great respect for public money in the past, as has been shown by her health budget. Indeed, this year her health budget will be inflated by $37m.

Mrs Carnell: I take a point of order, Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER:. Sit down, Mr Berry.

Mrs Carnell: It is a relevance issue, Mr Speaker. You have already ruled on it. Mr Berry is totally disregarding your ruling.

MR BERRY: It is relevant, Mr Speaker, to raise - - -

Mrs Carnell: Mr Speaker, you have ruled on this already.

MR SPEAKER: I uphold the point of order, and I ask you to come back to the motion before the Chair, Mr Berry.

MR BERRY: Mr Speaker, the motion before the Chair is to clearly expose the incompetence of this Health Minister. This is a Health Minister who could not even put the date on a determination. That is very relevant, Mrs Carnell. That is behind the problem. You are not keeping your eye on your job. Millions upon millions of community dollars are at risk because of these determinations.

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