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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1996 Week 3 Hansard (28 March) . . Page.. 789 ..

MS TUCKER (12.42): After listening to the debate this morning, we will be supporting this censure motion. I am disappointed that this discussion has happened in the way it has, but out of it have come some points that I think are very important. That has influenced my decision and Ms Horodny's decision.

It has become clear that there were certain statements made by Mrs Carnell about how she would manage Health and what she would achieve. She came into that election campaign on that platform and it was very convincing. You got the feeling that she really did have it in order. Since then, when I have seen consequences for social justice, particularly, which have been very worrying and I have gone to Mrs Carnell, she has said, "When we have achieved the savings this will be looked after". She said, "Yes, I understand that this is a concern, but when we have achieved the savings we will be fine. We will look after that". I was not happy about that answer anyway, but the point is that at least there seemed to be some light at the end of the tunnel.

The feeling I have after the discussion today is that that light is not guaranteed at all. All I have had is people coming in and saying that they are going to fix everything up. That may be the case, but this is the first time we have been here. Maybe people should stop saying that they are going to fix everything up if they do not know that they can. Maybe we need to have a little bit more humility in politics. Maybe we need to hear people say, "There are lots of problems here and I am going to keep you informed of them". Mrs Carnell says that every month.

Mrs Carnell: We do. Every month.

Mr De Domenico: We do. Every month we tell you what we are doing.

MS TUCKER: That is right. Every month, Mr De Domenico, we have heard that the information has been available. I heard Mrs Carnell - - -

Mr De Domenico: You did not have it under the other lot. You were not here, though.

MS TUCKER: Yes, that is very good. I am very pleased to see that there is information available, as remarked. But then - - -

Mr De Domenico: Good. Then change your mind and vote sensibly.

MS TUCKER: Would you listen, please? Every month that information has been available. Then I heard Mrs Carnell say quietly, when Mr Moore challenged her, that she had not presented this information on that before because she did not know that the Auditor-General's report would say this stuff. The point is that the Auditor-General has said this because of the information that has been available. I notice that the report says:

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