Page 2331 - Week 08 - Wednesday, 22 June 1994
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Members interjected.
MADAM SPEAKER: Order! Mrs Carnell has the floor.
MRS CARNELL: Thank you very much. The arguments that the Chief Minister has put forward about the Fire Brigade simply do not hold water. If they did, then there would be - - -
Members interjected.
MRS CARNELL: Madam Speaker, is it possible - - -
MADAM SPEAKER: I will note your request for order, Mrs Carnell.
MRS CARNELL: Thank you. If the Government is planning in any way to be consistent, the ACT Fire Brigade should be brought in under this autonomous instrumentality part of the Bill.
Ms Follett: No. Under the Bill.
Mr Lamont: They will be under the Bill.
MRS CARNELL: Do it now, or, alternatively, do not debate this Bill. You have said that you are ready to debate this Bill today. You have said that it is all ready; it is all fine; we can go ahead today. Now you are saying, "We have not quite made up our mind on it. We have not quite made up our mind on the Fire Brigade. We have not made up our mind on the hotel school. We have not made up our mind on ACTTAB. We have not made up our mind on all of these areas". Does that not show - - -
Mr Kaine: But you are damn certain about the rest.
MRS CARNELL: But you are so sure about the rest. You are so sure that you are willing to go ahead with a Bill that obviously is not ready to be debated. We believe that to give these areas some confidence about their future they should be brought in under this particular part of the Bill. We are concerned, though, that autonomous instrumentalities under this Bill are not defined. There is no definition of what an autonomous instrumentality is, except that it is one of these things. To work out what it is, you have to go through the whole Bill. We believe that that, in itself, shows that the Bill is badly drafted and flawed.
MS FOLLETT (Chief Minister and Treasurer) (12.17): Before addressing Mrs Carnell's amendment, I want to address some issues that were raised in the debate on my amendment. I particularly want to address some of the grubbier remarks made by Mr Kaine. I do not believe that they should be allowed to pass. Mr Kaine asserted in the course of his remarks that the Government had "leant on" - those were his words - the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Mr Kaine: I did not say that at all. I just raised the question of the perception that you might have.
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