Page 4164 - Week 12 - Tuesday, 22 October 2019

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not pose a risk to the safety of others, for instance, by depositing a syringe into a dedicated sharps container.

Amendment agreed to.

MR STEEL (Murrumbidgee—Minister for City Services, Minister for Multicultural Affairs, Minister for Recycling and Waste Reduction, Minister for Roads and Active Travel and Minister for Transport) (4.49): I move amendment No 4 on the white paper circulated in my name [see schedule 5 at page 4175]. This amendment is technical in nature and sets out a definition of a syringe for section 9. This definition was previously listed in Litter Regulation 2018. As a consequence of amendments 3 and 4, Litter Regulation 2018 is repealed.

Amendment agreed to.

MS LE COUTEUR (Murrumbidgee) (4.50): Madam Speaker, can I move my amendment No 6?

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your amendment is the same as Mr Steel’s amendment. It was a case of the first member rising, so Mr Steel’s amendment supersedes your amendment. You cannot do both, because they both do the same thing.

Clause 9, as amended, agreed to.

Clauses 10 to 17, by leave, taken together and agreed to.

Clause 18.

MS LE COUTEUR (Murrumbidgee) (4.51): I move amendment No 7 circulated in my name [see schedule 2 at page 4173]. This is not really the amendment I planned to move. I wanted to move an amendment about fines and aggravated littering, and this seems to be the one that I can move, because the others have been, unfortunately, superseded. As I said in my speech earlier, there is absolutely no reason to believe that higher fines are going to change the behaviour of the people whose behaviour we would like to have changed. All they are likely to do is penalise the vulnerable populations of Canberra.

In terms of aggravated littering, again, it is hard to see that this will make any useful difference. The people who inappropriately dispose of syringes generally speaking have considerable other issues in their lives, and the thought that there is a very small chance they might get a fine for it is not likely to be uppermost in their minds if they inappropriately dispose of a syringe. Equally, very few people in fact dispose of cigarettes inappropriately in places where fires might be started. I totally agree that it is inappropriate and I am not trying to support it. The few people who do that, generally speaking, again, have issues other than thinking, “It’s going to cost me $500 if I do this.”


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