Page 537 - Week 02 - Wednesday, 17 February 2016
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I go back to the comments Mrs Jones made in her earlier remarks. She said that to try and link urban art and tagging is a false connection. That is essentially the argument she was making. She said that it was an unwelcome connection. The point that was put to us by the street artists was that it is often the young, the new graffiti artists, who are doing this sort of thing. They are trying to prove themselves. They are trying to express themselves. They are trying to find a space to put out there.
Their observation was that if you could create legal spaces, some of the older artists can then seek to mentor or rein in the younger ones and actually channel their energies. The point there is that they then will not be doing street signs on people’s fences and the like. That is the connection. It is actually a little bit sophisticated, but that is actually the reality and that is the feedback we got from people who actually know what they are talking about; the people who are actually involved in this and who know others that are doing this sort of behaviour.
We can rant all we like in this place, but it is actually about coming up with effective strategies that work. That is what we are trying to do here and that was the point of having that sort of a discussion.
Mrs Jones: Well, they are not effective. That is the problem; not effective.
MR RATTENBURY: Mrs Jones, you will get a chance when I finish speaking. You do not need to interject all through my remarks.
MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr Rattenbury, sit down, please. Stop the clock, please. Mr Rattenbury, I was just about to ask you to sit down. Mrs Jones, I was going to say exactly that: you will have an opportunity to speak in reply when this debate is finished.
Mrs Jones: A point of order.
MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, Mrs Jones.
Mrs Jones: Is there not allowed to be any interjecting whatsoever in this debate? Is that the general rule about the place? My understanding is that normally in these kinds of debates there are allowed to be one or two words thrown across the chamber, and it is normal and it is acceptable. Is that now changing?
Mr Rattenbury: Tetchy.
Mrs Jones: Thank you very much for that. Thank you so much, minister. That is very kind.
MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit down, Mrs Jones. Mr Rattenbury, that is not helpful. Just keep your comments to yourself. I do not want any exchanges across the chamber. Mrs Jones, it is my understanding and it is my habit—it is what I do when I am in the chair—to try to assist members by letting them be heard in silence. That is what I like because I think it is not respectful for people to interject. I do not
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