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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2000 Week 7 Hansard (27 June) . . Page.. 2029 ..

Mr Berry: Question time.

MR HUMPHRIES: The comments Mr Berry complains about are not words that were in the printed speech; they are words which Mr Moore used in other debate. I do not recall the exact words that Mr Moore used. Mr Moore said subsequently in debate-

Mr Stanhope: I do.

MR HUMPHRIES: You do, Mr Stanhope, but I am sure that we would all like to know, particularly when the minister says that he did not say what it is that Mr Berry claims that he said. We want to censure the minister-

Mr Berry: No, no.

MR HUMPHRIES: Sorry, we want the minister to withdraw a statement which the minister claimed he did not make.

Mr Berry: I heard him say it twice in this debate.

MR HUMPHRIES: You heard him say it. He says that he did not say it. I would like to know what the Hansard actually says. Mr Deputy Speaker, I would submit to the house that the appropriate way of dealing with this matter, given the disagreement between Mr Berry and Mr Moore about what was said in the debate, would be to wait until tomorrow when the Hansard is available and peruse what was actually said. I do not know what was said. If I entered into this debate at the moment defending Mr Moore, a colleague on the front bench, I would be forced to rely upon what Mr Moore recalls about the remarks that he made because he did not read from a printed speech. He is relying on his memory of what was said.

Mr Berry: I wrote it down. There are contemporaneous notes here.

MR HUMPHRIES: That may be fine, Mr Berry, but you have been known to make errors of your own in the past. I would like to see what Mr Moore has actually said. It occurs to me, Mr Deputy Speaker, that if Mr Moore actually said what Mr Berry says that he has said, he may well want to withdraw the statement. But he says to me and he has already said to this house in the course of debate that he did not say that. What is the point of having a debate-

Mr Hargreaves: Sit down.

MR HUMPHRIES: I am not going to sit down, Mr Hargreaves. I am making an important point.

Mr Hargreaves: You are making a fool of yourself.

MR HUMPHRIES: I am pleased to hear you say that, Mr Hargreaves; I think you are qualified to pass that opinion.

Mr Hargreaves: Just sit down.

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