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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2000 Week 7 Hansard (27 June) . . Page.. 1995 ..

Mr Berry: I take a point of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Quinlan is referring to something that was said outside this place, not something that has been referred to inside this place. Unless we say, "We love Gary and his budget is a beauty," it is not allowed in this place. Let us stop kidding ourselves.

MR SPEAKER: Sit down, Mr Berry. There is no point of order and you know it.

Mr Quinlan: Mr Speaker, I withdraw that. I will repeat the last part of the question. Treasurer, is the average Canberra household substantially better off, to the tune of $700, than the average New South Wales household, when all state and local taxes, charges and fees collected by government are taken into account?

MR HUMPHRIES: Mr Speaker, I made it perfectly clear in the release I issued on this subject, which Mr Quinlan has referred to, that the comparison I was making was between state and territory-level government taxes and charges, between the ACT and other jurisdictions. I made that perfectly clear. It was in the release. There is no deception involved in that. If Mr Quinlan has the release, he will see it stated quite clearly up front in the release. It was a comparison between those two things.

Mr Berry: Another web of deception.

MR HUMPHRIES: Mr Speaker, you have just asked Mr Quinlan to withdraw the word "deception". Now Mr Berry has used it. I am happy to use the term myself, but I think it is appropriate that we obey standing orders, so I ask that it be withdrawn.

MR SPEAKER: If you used the term again, withdraw it.

Mr Berry: No, I said, "Another web of deception". It is something that has been used here quite frequently in relation to Mr Humphries. I do not see that there is anything new in it.

MR SPEAKER: Order! If Mr Quinlan did not say it and you did, Mr Berry, would you withdraw it, please.

Mr Berry: For what reason? Because it implies that he said something that was incorrect outside this place.

MR SPEAKER: Withdraw, please.

Mr Berry: That is routine.

MR SPEAKER: No, it has nothing to do with that.

Mr Berry: I withdraw it.

MR SPEAKER: Have you got a point of order, Mr Kaine?

Mr Kaine: No, Mr Speaker. I was just wondering whether we had finished the debate on the previous question.

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