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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1997 Week 14 Hansard (11 December) . . Page.. 4925 ..

Question put:

That the amendment (Mr Berry's) be agreed to.

The Assembly voted -

AYES, 6	 	NOES, 11

Mr Berry	Mrs Carnell
Mr Corbell	Mr Cornwell
Ms McRae	Mr Hird
Ms Reilly	Ms Horodny
Mr Whitecross	Mr Humphries
Mr Wood		Mr Kaine
		Mrs Littlewood
		Mr Moore
		Mr Osborne
		Mr Stefaniak
		Ms Tucker

MRS CARNELL (Chief Minister) (12.16): Mr Speaker, I thought that it was very important to clarify a few questions that Kerrie Tucker asked in her statement with regard to inclusive practices. Mr Speaker, in Mr Osborne's submission - which will, of course, go to the Pettit inquiry - in "Governing Canberra" and, I think, in many other submissions that will go to the inquiry, the view that all 17 members of the Assembly should be more directly involved with decision-making, from my perspective, is a base issue. It is one of the things we simply must address. Mr Moore raised the issue - or maybe it was Mr Osborne - that, when you have only 17 people, you do not have a huge breadth of talent. You have only 17 people, so you have to use the talent that is there. I think those things are an absolute necessity for any review.

Mr Berry: Were you reflecting on Mr Osborne then? It might have been an imputation that he has no talent.

Mr Whitecross: It sounded like it to me.

MR SPEAKER: Continue, Chief Minister.

Mr Berry: Mr Speaker, on a point of order - - -

MR SPEAKER: If you want to have a talk, I suggest that you go out into the lobby provided for the purpose.

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