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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1997 Week 12 Hansard (13 November) . . Page.. 4134 ..

MR BERRY: I got leave and I moved it.

Mrs Carnell: I am sorry; you have not.

MR BERRY: I have leave to move the motion.

MR SPEAKER: I asked members, "Is leave granted?".

Mrs Carnell: And I hopped up and said, "Can I have leave to make a statement?". Leave was not granted.

MR SPEAKER: Just a moment. We had better sort this out. If you are not going to grant leave you had better say no, rather than getting up.

Leave not granted.

MR BERRY (Leader of the Opposition) (4.48): I move:

That so much of the standing orders be suspended as would prevent Mr Berry from moving a motion of censure of Mrs Carnell.

The motion is circulated. I do not need to speak to it, Mr Speaker.

MRS CARNELL (Chief Minister) (4.49): I am very happy to debate the suspension of standing orders, Mr Speaker. I will debate the suspension of standing orders by making a statement which should obviate the need for the motion of censure. I have noted Mr Berry's comments and Mr Carr's comments in the house today about the lack of any meeting between the two people, and I accept the veracity of what has been asserted concerning the meeting, particularly given Mr Carr's comments on the subject. If Mr Carr says that he has not discussed privatisation of ACTEW with Mr Berry, then I accept that and I withdraw any allegation against Mr Berry. However, I have to say that my sources are very close to the Labor Party - in fact, some are right here in the Assembly - and are usually very good sources. I did check those sources, as I always do.

Mr Berry has moved a censure motion today over behaviour that he engages in every day. This week we have seen Mr Berry and his colleagues come into this place day after day and make unsubstantiated allegations.

Mr Berry: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Is this relevant to the suspension of standing orders?

MRS CARNELL: It is relevant. It is all about - - -

Mr Berry: The question is whether standing orders ought to be suspended or they ought not.

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