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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1997 Week 3 Hansard (8 April) . . Page.. 680 ..

ACTION Chief Executive

MR BERRY: My question to Mr Kaine relates to his responsibilities for the Territory's buses. I raise this question as a member concerned about the ongoing politicisation of the ACT Public Service. Mr Kaine, would you inform the Assembly for how long you or Mrs Carnell's vice-president, Mr Walker, had to hold Mr Flutter out the window in order to secure his resignation?

Mrs Carnell: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.

MR BERRY: Tell us for how long you had to hold him over the balcony or out the window.

Mrs Carnell: Mr Speaker, I was under the impression that people had to call members of this Assembly, and I hope others as well, by their proper titles.

MR BERRY: That is not a point of order. There is no point of order. Mr Walker is not a member here.

MR SPEAKER: Order! Mr Walker is entitled to be known by his correct title.

MR BERRY: Direct me to the standing order in the book.

MR SPEAKER: As indeed is any other senior public servant.

MR BERRY: The self-appointed vice-president, Mr John Walker. Tell us for how long you had to hold - - -

Mrs Carnell: Mr Speaker, I raise a point of order.

MR SPEAKER: Order! That is still regarded as being - - -

MR BERRY: It is not a point of order.

MR SPEAKER: Please refer to Mr Walker by his correct title.

MR BERRY: We are testy! He probably needs a bit of defence. If you are hanging somebody out the window by their heels as you say, "Resign or else, pal", sooner or later you will get a resignation.

MR SPEAKER: Would you withdraw.

MR BERRY: Yes, done. Would the Minister confirm that the Government has been working towards this for months by harassing and intimidating Mr Flutter in order to get him to quit, that it has done so in order to blame him for the Government's campaign of downgrading ACTION bus services and that Mr Flutter's departure will allow you and your Government to appoint someone more committed to running down a successful public transport system as a precursor to privatisation?

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