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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1995 Week 9 Hansard (23 November) . . Page.. 2425 ..

MR BERRY (continuing):

every opportunity launched into everybody within the health system. Tonight I heard Mrs Carnell talking about waiting lists. Her memory has slipped a bit. It was probably in the time when she was on the Health Board, or in an overarching period, that waiting lists doubled.

Mrs Carnell: That was because you would not pay any attention to it. You were the Minister.

MR BERRY: Who would listen to what Mrs Carnell would tell you to do, because all it would be about would be dollars, not people. That brings me, Mr Speaker, to Mrs Carnell's attitude to services delivered out there in the community. I heard her talking about the health centres. Not once did she talk about the services that were delivered to the community from those health centres. All she talked about was the percentage of them that was unoccupied, how much they cost, how much they could save, and all those sorts of things. How could people think that this is the same person who, before the last election, was talking about health? She is quite different, Mr Speaker, quite different indeed, because here we have somebody with a cold heart for the services which are delivered into the community.

Mr Hird: You could - - -

MR BERRY: I hear Mr Hird moaning in the background.

Mr Hird: Dead right. You said Kippax was going to close. It is not.

MR BERRY: You should moan, Mr Hird, because you are a disgrace when it comes to the defence of health services within your electorate.

Mr Hird: Rubbish! You told me Kippax was going to close, and you told everyone else out there at Kippax.

Mrs Carnell: You lied.

Mr Hird: You lied. You lied.

MR BERRY: I think that might require a bit of a - - -

Mr Hird: Yes. Ask me to withdraw it. It is a fact.

MR SPEAKER: I think you had better withdraw, Mr Hird.

Mr Hird: No, I will not.

MR BERRY: I think you will, or he will tell you to march.

Mr Hird: Maybe. Maybe; but you are lying, sir.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

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