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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1995 Week 8 Hansard (25 October) . . Page.. 2049 ..

MR BERRY: No; you have missed the point completely, again.

Mrs Carnell: No, she is not capable.

MR BERRY: You have missed the point completely, again. Of course, she is very capable and she has - - -

Mrs Carnell: Are you saying that Kate Lundy is not capable?

MR BERRY: She is very capable. Do not try to put stupid words in my mouth, Mrs Carnell. You are so childish and spiteful. She has earned a position of high standing within the trade union movement and therefore a great deal of respect, not only because of her interest in health promotion matters but also because of her commitment to the trade union movement. If you do not have those sorts of people in those sorts of positions you cannot get the respect that you deserve in relation to - - -

Mrs Carnell: So it is not because she is a capable woman? You mean that she is not respected because she is a capable woman; she is respected because she is a member of the TLC?

MR BERRY: I am saying to you that if they are not a member of the TLC they will not have as much respect as they will have if they are.

Mr Osborne: You cannot tell her what to do.

MR BERRY: That shows the level of understanding you have of the trade union movement. That is your problem. You have a mind-block on the issue of trade unionism. You do not understand it.

Mr Humphries: She has a mind.

MR BERRY: Who has a mind?

Mr Humphries: She has.

MR BERRY: If I had one like hers, I would change it regularly. It does not matter who the person is; it would be somebody who has worked their way through the trade union movement to a point where they have the confidence of the Trades and Labour Council. You do not just wander into the Trades and Labour Council and say, "I would like to be your nominee to a particular board". You earn the respect of members of the council before you get their endorsement for those sorts of positions. Ms Lundy earned her position because of respect within the trade union movement and her ability to provide the best sort of service to trade unionists on the issue of occupational health and safety. You do not seem to understand that it is that respect that you earn that is - - -

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