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That is some guarantee that major landmark trees will not be knocked down, if we use it properly. But to say to every individual who owns a block of land in the Territory, “No matter where your trees are, no matter how young they are, no matter what the density on the block, they are all protected and you have to get licences to knock them down” is not the intention of this legislation.

The other important consideration that members should think about is that there are not the resources available in the Parks and Conservation Service at the moment - - -

Mr Berry: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: Mr Humphries may have inadvertently misled the Assembly in relation to his - - -

MR HUMPHRIES: Mr Speaker, he can move a motion about that at the end of my speech if he wants to.

Mr Berry: You may have. I just thought I would bring it to your attention so that the truth will out. I need to see and hear the truth.

MR HUMPHRIES: Sit down. You would not know what the truth was if it hit you in the face, Mr Berry.

MR SPEAKER: Order! There is no point of order. Proceed, Mr Humphries.

MR HUMPHRIES: Mr Speaker, if this is to be done properly, there will need to - - -

Mr Connolly: Mr Speaker, I raise a point of order. Are you ruling on points of order or is the Minister? Mr Berry took a point of order and Mr Humphries told him to sit down.

MR SPEAKER: I have ruled on the point of order. I said that there was no point of order. Mr Humphries, proceed.

Mr Berry: I cannot hear you. What was it that you said? On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I cannot hear you.

MR SPEAKER: I said that I had ruled that there was no point of order. Mr Humphries, proceed.

MR HUMPHRIES: Mr Speaker, the resources are not available within the Parks and Conservation Service to establish an urban tree preservation program.

Mr Berry: No wonder! There is a Liberal government in power. What do you expect?

MR HUMPHRIES: And they were not available under the Labor Government either. If you were serious, you would point to where you put additional resources into this area to fund the urban tree preservation program. You have not done that. I am not against an urban tree preservation program, if it is done properly. Let us do it properly, though. Let us tell people in advance that we are going to do it. Let us not do it by stealth. I am not going to sneak out to the people of the ACT and say, “Yesterday we enacted an urban tree preservation program in the ACT. We did not tell you about it in advance.

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