Page 4192 - Week 14 - Tuesday, 29 November 1994
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Where are they going to shop? What about Canberra's young mums? Anyone who has tried to get onto a bus with a stroller and a baby, and then tried to get off it at the other end with the stroller, a baby and their groceries, would realise that it is physically impossible. Where are these people going to get the things that they need for just basic life? Ms Ellis is saying, "Look, it has already happened. It is history. It has gone". The fact is that it is a long way down the track, but it is not acceptable.
Mr Berry said before that somehow I was involved with the demise of pharmacies in the ACT, or, for that matter, Australia-wide.
Mr Berry: You demanded the $80,000. You were up to your ears in it.
MRS CARNELL: Mr Berry, I would be very careful on this. As you would be aware, there was a major pharmacy dispute in 1989. The Federal Labor Government determined that it was unwilling to pay the 5,500 pharmacies that currently existed in Australia and determined that it needed to close down 700 pharmacies around Australia.
Mr Wood: You agreed with that.
MRS CARNELL: We did not agree. We had pharmacists out marching in the street on this one. Exactly what we said happened. Local suburban pharmacies closed. What is going to happen with your Government's policies on petrol stations? Petrol stations are going to close, and that will further put the stamp on the end for suburban shopping centres in this city. A motion will be moved at the end of this MPI, and I hope that this Government takes this seriously, because it matters.
MR WOOD (Minister for Education and Training, Minister for the Arts and Heritage and Minister for the Environment, Land and Planning) (3.31): Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Mrs Carnell has spoken for 15 minutes and, typically and significantly, in all her dissertation about Tuggeranong and what should or should not be there, not once did she think to say, "What do the people of Tuggeranong want?".
Mrs Carnell: I did. That is what I started with.
Mr Stefaniak: She did, a couple of times.
MR WOOD: No; I listened very carefully. What do the people of Tuggeranong want? I have said before, I think in this chamber, certainly publicly, that I am neither a proponent of the development - I should not be - nor an opponent. It is my job as Minister to see that any proposal - this, as for others - gets appropriate public scrutiny, that there is proper consideration, and that the end result is one that is in the best interests of all Canberrans, not necessarily sectional interests, the interests that Mrs Carnell plays up to, although we discovered last night that that can rebound on her quite severely.
Mrs Carnell was in the media - I note that she did not do so on the MPI today - talking about a moratorium, a stoppage. The words have changed over a period of time. If Mrs Carnell moved around Tuggeranong, as I am sure that Mr De Domenico and Mr Kaine do and as Annette Ellis certainly does, because she keeps me well informed if I happen to miss anything, she would discover that the Kambah supermarket is currently
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