Page 4203 - Week 13 - Thursday, 25 November 1993
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Mr Kaine: No, the appropriation was $232m. You spent $263m.
MR BERRY: I am referring to the actual appropriations.
Mr Kaine: Yes, but the appropriation was $232m.
MR BERRY: What you are trying to do is hide the fact that it went to a statutory authority and the Board of Health - - -
Mr Kaine: What you are trying to do is to pretend that no matter how much you spend it is okay.
MR BERRY: The great Treasurer is just about to be brought undone. This is about playing ducks and drakes with the figures.
Mr Kaine: I said that the appropriation was $232m, and so it was.
MR BERRY: Yes, and you were cheating with the figures. Turn to page 344. Actual appropriations were $263m in 1992-93 and are $267m this year. So, Mr Kaine, you are cheating with the figures - cheating, cheating, cheating. Then you went on to describe a whole range of things in health, all of which - - -
Mr De Domenico: On a point of order, Madam Speaker, I ask you to ask the Deputy Chief Minister to withdraw the imputation he made when he said to Mr Kaine, "You are cheating, cheating, cheating". I do not believe that that is very parliamentary.
Mr Kaine: Yes, I wish him to withdraw that too.
MR BERRY: He is cheating with the figures.
MADAM SPEAKER: Yes, Mr Berry, but truth is never a case in these matters. You are not allowed to impute improper motives to a member, so I am afraid that I will have to ask you to withdraw.
MR BERRY: Okay.
Mr Kaine: On a point of order, Madam Speaker: Since the Minister chooses to get into a debate about figures, I refer him to the Appropriation Bill 1992-93, where the appropriation for the health organisation was $231m. It is in black and white. That is what I said, and that is a fact.
MADAM SPEAKER: Mr Kaine, it is very helpful, but it is not a point of order. Mr Berry, please continue.
MR BERRY: Mischievous misinformation again from the Treasurer who cannot count. I pointed out to you that the actual appropriation was $263m, as set out in Budget Paper No. 3 at page 344. There is no denying that. It includes a whole range of things which arose from the new departmental structure for Health following the resignation of the Board of Health, which was of course caused by this lot opposite. If you want to look at the running costs this year, Mr Kaine, you will get a better appreciation of the actual picture. If you take a look at page 343, at the subtotal of running costs, you will notice - - -
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