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attract teaching positions to go with them. So, if you had X number of students in your school, you would have Y number of teachers. That was by a formula which was not changing. Ms Follett says, "You were going to cut down principals". Madam Speaker, I do not know of any school in the system at the present time - I might be wrong - where a principal actually teaches. Does Ms Follett?

Ms Follett: They are promoted from teachers.

MR HUMPHRIES: Does Mr Berry? Does Mr Wood? As far as I know, all the principals in our system at the present time are in non-teaching positions. If you abolish principals' positions you do not actually lose any teaching positions. We are talking about contact hours. I am sure that there are deputy principals in our system who also teach, at least on a part-time basis.

Mr Lamont: There are principals who teach.

MR HUMPHRIES: Will you be quiet, Mr Lamont.

Mr Lamont: You are wrong.

MR HUMPHRIES: You do not know a thing about education.

Mr Lamont: You are misleading this house.

MR HUMPHRIES: I ask that that comment be withdrawn, Madam Speaker.

MADAM SPEAKER: I have lost track. Which particular comment?

MR HUMPHRIES: That I have misled the house.

MADAM SPEAKER: Mr Lamont, please withdraw the comment that he misled the house.

Mr Lamont: Madam Speaker, Mr Humphries is wrong in what he is asserting.

MADAM SPEAKER: Just withdraw the comment, Mr Lamont.

Mr Lamont: I withdraw, on your request, Madam Speaker.

MADAM SPEAKER: Thank you.

MR HUMPHRIES: Madam Speaker, of course it is not true that most of these positions of principals and deputy principals are teaching positions. They simply are not. They might be filled by teachers, but it would be equally true to say that I am a solicitor because I am qualified as a solicitor, or that Mr Moore is a teacher because he is qualified as a teacher. Mr Moore is not working as a teacher. Mr Berry is not working as a fireman. Mr Lamont is not working - or maybe he is - - -

Mr Kaine: Mr Berry is not working at all.

MR HUMPHRIES: Mr Berry is not working at all. Perhaps so. What does Mrs Grassby do? I am not sure. Madam Speaker, these people's qualifications and what they are actually doing are different things. Let us come back to the crunch, though. Ms Follett says that if I was going to close schools I must have lost teaching positions.


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