Page 2206 - Week 08 - Thursday, 10 September 1992

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MR BERRY: The police will decide that.

Mr Humphries: No, they will not. You have to refer it to them in the first place to make them decide.

MR BERRY: They have investigated the matter and they will report in due course.

Mr Humphries: Not unless it is reported to them.

MR BERRY: So Mr Humphries is saying that we should not report crime.

Mr Humphries: We did not report most of the leaks that came to us.

MR BERRY: You said:

That leak has done a lot of damage to some people's reputations, and to the Government's position, and I think it needs to be tracked down if that is at all possible. If someone is found to have been leaking information then clearly their head will have to roll no matter who it is.

Mr Humphries: That was yours.

MR BERRY: No, that is you.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Somebody else will have to do the chasing up, then, Mr Berry. Your time has expired.

MR MOORE (3.45): Mr Deputy Speaker, this issue that we are talking about today can be summed up as being about open government. There is no question that the Labor Government, in coming - - -

Mr Berry: I raise a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. You have already dealt with the issue of relevance. If you want to put something on the agenda - - -

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! There is no point of order.

Mr Berry: Hang on! I have not raised it yet. Let me raise the point of order. A little while ago, Mr Deputy Speaker, you dealt with the issue of relevance when it comes to a matter of public importance. Mr Moore says that this is clearly a matter about open government. We are perfectly happy to have a debate about open government, but this debate is about a matter of public importance that has been submitted for discussion by Mrs Carnell, namely:

The ACT Labor Government's abnormal tendency to suspect and mistrust others as exemplified by its reaction to public criticism.

I am sure that you will rule to ensure that the debate is relevant.

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will not uphold the point of order. Mr Moore has spoken for barely 20 seconds, so I have had no opportunity to know whether his remarks are relevant or not. I call Mr Moore.


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