Page 1600 - Week 06 - Wednesday, 12 August 1992
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MR LAMONT (4.54): Very simply, Madam Speaker, and very quickly, excessive use of the whip could be classed as cruelty. It all hinges on the word "could".
Mr Kaine: What is excessive?
MR LAMONT: That is not up to me to determine. That is up to a magistrate and the court to determine. That is what it is all about. That is what your legislation - - -
Mr Kaine: It is up to some animal liberationist to bring a charge.
MR LAMONT: Let us address your piety, Mr Kaine. Your own amendment, at paragraph (d) - - -
Mr Kaine: Not my amendment. Address your comments to Mr Westende. It is not my amendment.
MR LAMONT: I am sorry; your party's amendment, Mr Westende's amendment, your spokesman's amendment, says:
... he/she knowingly or negligently does an act or omits to do an act which results in pain, suffering or distress to an animal.
What absolute hypocrisy! What absolute hypocrisy on your part, Mr Kaine, and your part, Mr Westende! Your own amendment proposes this. Your own amendment says that.
Mr Humphries: I raise a point of order. Madam Speaker, I believe that you have ruled in the past that ascribing hypocrisy to individual members of the Assembly is in breach of standing orders. I ask you therefore to make Mr Lamont withdraw those assertions.
MADAM SPEAKER: Excuse me; I am getting information. Mr Humphries, I looked puzzled because I did not think I had actually ruled on hypocrisy itself. I believed that I had ruled on "whiffs of hypocrisy" or "smacks of hypocrisy" or things like that.
Mr Wood: I think you ruled on "hypocrite", but "hypocrisy" is a different matter.
MADAM SPEAKER: I have actually allowed "hypocrite" to be used. I allowed it to be used on 9 April. I sought advice on it and allowed it, again, on 9 April. I believe that for robust debate it is probably a reasonable term.
Mr Humphries: Madam Speaker, I defer to your ruling.
Mr Kaine: When Mr Lamont engages in robust debate it is all right, but for us it is not.
MADAM SPEAKER: Excuse me, Mr Kaine. I will give it further consideration, if you please, and for the time being allow it. Please continue, Mr Lamont.
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