Page 4939 - Week 17 - Tuesday, 11 December 1990

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had done. There was no comparison, sir. None of the Government members could comment because they were not here. Irrespective of one's judgment as to whether Mr Moore's behaviour was acceptable or not, Mr Moore was completely in control of what he was doing. I say to you, Mr Speaker, that Dr Kinloch was not.

It is an issue of grave importance, as I have said before, for the people of the ACT. The Government deserves to have it brought to attention again and again until their performance improves. There is a lesson there for Government Ministers - I suspect that they will have learnt it by now - and that is: do not let Mrs Nolan out of the city while the Assembly is sitting, because she is the only one who seems to be able to organise such a group. I think she probably deserves some sort of an award for that. But she has some work to do on her performance because she has been unable to train Mr Jensen. That is a daunting task; I understand that. I suspect that she will never be able to achieve reasonable standards in that respect, but I dare her to proceed.

MR JENSEN (4.04): Mr Speaker, I think we can see, by the nature of the frivolity in which Mr Berry has brought this matter on today and the way that he has addressed it during this debate - - -

Ms Follett: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I find Mr Jensen's reference to frivolity with this matter of public importance quite improper and I ask him to withdraw it.

MR SPEAKER: That is not a valid point of order. Please proceed, Mr Jensen.

Mr Berry: Well, it is an imputation against me, Mr Speaker.

Mr Duby: It is not an imputation; it is a statement of fact because you have a grin from ear to ear.

Mr Berry: I take a point of order. You were laughing about the Government's behaviour, but that is laughable. Mr Speaker, there is an imputation that this is a frivolous matter. It is not a frivolous matter and I too ask you to have him withdraw it.

MR SPEAKER: Frivolity is not something that the parliament would accept as being unparliamentary. You can make a personal explanation to that effect, but I do not believe that it is proper to raise a point of order. Please proceed, Mr Jensen.

MR JENSEN: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I think it is important to draw attention to the way Mr Berry sought to introduce a degree of hilarity into the debate. I was making that point because, quite clearly, it indicates to the members in the Assembly and others that he is not taking it very seriously.


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