Page 4889 - Week 16 - Thursday, 29 November 1990
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Mr Moore: It is not a speech. You were supposed to be making a point of order. What is the point of order?
Mrs Grassby: I withdrew, Mr Speaker.
MR SPEAKER: Mrs Grassby, the point of order is still valid even though you have withdrawn.
Mrs Grassby: No. I withdrew, and it is not. The point of order is not.
MR SPEAKER: I will allow Mr Collaery to continue with his presentation of his point of order.
Mr Collaery: Mr Speaker, the point I wish to make is that, whether Mrs Grassby has withdrawn or not, the issue is the ruling, and the fact that Dr Kinloch was obliged to apologise when he came to the chamber and perhaps over-reacted to a statement made while he was out of the chamber. Mr Speaker, if a member is out of the chamber and wishes to come down and take - - -
Mr Berry: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: this is absolute nonsense. He is evading the issue. There is no point of order. Mrs Grassby has withdrawn.
Mrs Grassby: There is no point of order, Mr Speaker, and Mr - - -
Mr Collaery: Mr Speaker - - -
MR SPEAKER: Order! For goodness sake, let us have some sanity in the house.
Mrs Grassby: You are really making a joke of this chamber now, Mr Collaery. It is a bit rude.
MR SPEAKER: I have given Mr Collaery the opportunity to speak. Please hear him out.
Mr Collaery: Mr Speaker, the fact is that Dr Kinloch came to the chamber to defend himself and has found himself forced to apologise. Somehow there has been a precedent established in this house that one does not have leave to defend oneself against comments made when one is out of the chamber. I think that is patently wrong and it should not occur. Mrs Grassby now has uttered the words and withdrawn them, but the fact is that it was those words which - - -
Mr Moore: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: he has not even indicated the point of order. You have set the precedent, Mr Speaker, of naming the point of order when you are making it. In this case I am drawing your attention to the precedent.
MR SPEAKER: Thank you for your observation, Mr Moore. Continue, Mr Collaery.
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