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ways of raising and saving money in education. There is an OECD document that I referred to before, "Surplus Space in Our Schools", and in that document on pages 28 and 29 is a series of "Topology of Uses". Those uses include other educational services, library and information services, health, social and housing services, leisure services, private clubs and societies and commercial uses - a whole series of ways in which schools can be used in order to actually save money. He has failed to do that, he has failed in his duty to the Canberra community, and he has failed in providing for the improvement of education. In fact, he has done just the opposite and, as such, he deserves to be censured.

MR SPEAKER: Order! Mr Moore, I draw your attention to House of Representatives Practice with regard to members of the public coming into the gallery and displaying such articles. You are entitled to do so if you so desire; they are not.

MR DUBY (Minister for Finance and Urban Services) (11.33): I accept that, Mr Speaker. Before I start, in relation to this whole nonsense censure motion against my colleague Mr Humphries, I think I should point out that when we originally moved the procedural motion and put a time limit on it there were howls of derision from the menagerie opposite suggesting that we were somehow trying to stifle debate.

Mr Connolly: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: is "menagerie" an appropriate and parliamentary way to refer to the Opposition?

MR SPEAKER: Order! It is overruled. Please proceed, Mr Duby.

MR DUBY: Thank you, Mr Speaker.

Mr Berry: On a point of order, Mr Speaker; relevance. If he is going to talk about the motion moved by Mr Collaery to suspend standing orders in the first place, I think he ought to just stick to what is relevant.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you. Please proceed, Mr Duby.

MR DUBY: As I was saying, Mr Speaker, House of Representatives Practice shows that this limiting of the debate to two hours is the normal procedure.

Mr Berry: This matter was settled earlier, when Mr Collaery moved the motion that we suspend standing orders and limit the debate to two hours. I think he is a bit late. He has missed the boat.

MR SPEAKER: Mr Berry, the objection is overruled. Please speak to the point, Mr Duby.


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