Page 2775 - Week 13 - Tuesday, 21 November 1989
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There is no question of coercion, of violence, of children being involved, or aggression.
Mr Humphries: Aggression is involved.
MR DUBY: No, it is not. There is no question of aggression.
Mr Humphries: I have seen X-rated videos with aggression.
MR DUBY: Perhaps you have not seen a video which has been X-rated, Mr Humphries.
Mr Humphries: I assure you I have, Mr Duby.
MR DUBY: Following Mr Kaine's claims about violent material and about all sorts of degradations that were involved, we then went on and we heard complaints from Dr Kinloch about pornography. Once again, it was painted with a broad brush. "Pornography" was the term that Dr Kinloch chose to use. He went on and explained how pornography was, in his view, the cause of moral decay, et cetera. Once again we had this story of degradation of women, of minors being involved, of violent material. I just cannot understand the motives behind Dr Kinloch's speech because Dr Kinloch is on record, barely 12 months ago, as saying that, properly controlled, the X-rated industry poses no threat to the citizens of the ACT. He is on record as saying that as an expert in the matter of reviewing films. I do not think he maintains that they are extraordinarily artistic, they certainly might not win any Oscars, but there it was, in black-and-white - it was not in black-and-white; it was in colour, I believe - filmed outside an establishment known as Club X here in the ACT. Dr Kinloch was saying, "Properly controlled, the X-rated industry poses no threat to the citizens of the ACT". What has brought about this sudden change?
We then heard Mr Humphries and Mr Stefaniak, of course. I notice that after extolling the dangers of pornography and what is going to happen, the final words of Mr Stefaniak's speech were, "I haven't watched Night Shift Nurses yet". Goodness knows how one could maintain that this stuff is morally dangerous. I know, by the way - - -
Mr Humphries: You should see it before you comment on it.
MR DUBY: I should put the record straight and say that Mr Stefaniak, unfortunately for him, I imagine, won that particular classic in a raffle, I believe, a week or so ago. Maybe he has no intentions of watching it; I do not know.
Finally then we came to the exposition by Mr Stevenson, who got up and with his usual scare tactics - which as usual were very, very far from the facts of the matter - listed a whole range of what I am sure all of us here would regard as rather deviant behaviour. He has indicated that that
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